Complete Drawing
Incomplete rendering
Reading Comprehension was good
Approach to depiction was not so great...
I did show elements in my illustration from the description of my city (Valdrada) like the mirroring of the city. I depicted it exactly how I imagined it.
Based on what I learned during other critiques today in class I picked up a lot of tips and ideas to approach my illustration in a better and smarter way. What I saw and heard was enough to soak up some info on how I can do a better job and how I could have done a better job...
Today during my critique I wanted to state some things that would show that I do understand what I brought in to class and what I could have done to better depict the city and details of city. That moment where Don interrupted me (which I did not appreciate at all) was me trying to input to the conversation about better ways to approach. I was going to say that this city is open to the approach of making multiple illustrations showing different scenes just like another student did, but me also knowing that my classmates don't really provide helpful input(based on all critiques we've had). I just wanted to self critique and just have that conversation with Don, ultimately showing him that i understand what I have to do in future reference. I did not receive great feedback during this critique. I do not get any feedback during critiques and I sometimes get something from Kathleen and Don. I've grown tired of not receiving good input on anything...
I want to bring in the work with the best quality possible and lately they have been unfinished for critique. BUT they are there and they are showing effort, and what my approach was to solve the problem. Not like Lucas's piece today that didn't even show anything at all from his city.
I understand that to you the piece is completed, but it appears that you fail to understand that to pretty much everyone else it comes off as incomplete.
ReplyDeleteThe fact that you wrote this: "picked up a lot of tips and ideas to approach my illustration in a better and smarter way. What I saw and heard was enough to soak up some info on how I can do a better job and how I could have done a better job" means that you, yourself, realized the piece was unresolved.
Now lets address these statements: "I wanted to state some things that would show that I do understand what I brought in to class and what I could have done to better depict the city and details of city. That moment where Don interrupted me (which I did not appreciate at all) was me trying to input to the conversation about better ways to approach."
• Did Don interrupt you? He could have, I don't remember that moment 100% clearly so there's nothing for me to say there, but I will say that it's a weird thing to passive-aggressively bring up in a post instead of talking to him about it. Also not only were we running low on class time during your critique but critiques [in our class at least] are not there for the artist to sit there and tell us about what they could have done or what they plan on doing. Critiques are a time for us to evaluate the piece we are given at hand and to overall determine if it solved the problem we were given.
This right here: "I just wanted to self critique and just have that conversation with Don, ultimately showing him that i understand what I have to do in future reference."
•You can do that on your own time after critiques.
And then there's this gem: "but me also knowing that my classmates don't really provide helpful input(based on all critiques we've had). I just wanted to self critique and just have that conversation with Don, ultimately showing him that i understand what I have to do in future reference. I did not receive great feedback during this critique. I do not get any feedback during critiques and I sometimes get something from Kathleen and Don. I've grown tired of not receiving good input on anything"
• Many people from the class (teachers included) would disagree with those statements. From what I remember, you were given some pretty good advice on how you could've farther resolved your piece and were asked questions that [if you actually thought about] would also help to farther resolve your piece. So to say that you barely receive any helpful input from your peers and sometimes your teachers is tunnel visioned and narrow-minded on your part in my opinion.
Last but not least: "I want to bring in the work with the best quality possible and lately they have been unfinished for critique. BUT they are there and they are showing effort, and what my approach was to solve the problem. Not like Lucas's piece today that didn't even show anything at all from his city."
• If you want to bring in work with the best quality possible then actually bring in completed work. Also not only is it immature to bring another students incomplete work to try and defend your own but it doesn't even help your "case" at all.
Extra note:
These two things here that you wrote at the beginning of the post: "Complete Drawing" and "Incomplete rendering" means that the piece is incomplete. To say that your drawing is complete but not fully rendered is a contradiction.
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I did want to talk to him about it and I didn't have time to because I had to go.
DeleteI approached him and I already apologized to him and everything.
And are you really trying to tell me what a critique is? I wasn't trying to say what I could have done or make excuses for unfinished work. Simply add a comment about what I learned. But before I could speak I was interrupted. I wanted to get straight to the point because my work was unfinished and there wasn't much that was going to be said anyway.
We did the same to Lucas right?
On his critique I said myself "it's a really good unfinished drawing"
And we moved on because of time shortage. I just wanted to get straight to the point.
I wasn't trying to defend my own work my friend. But it's okay, I understand your confusion.
DeleteI just wanted to reinforce whats already been said in Ylwahk's comment about bringing up another student's work because it doesnt do yours justice and isn't fair to Lucas and quite frankly uncalled for. At this point we should know that when we bring work into class it is presented and evaluated at face value so please reconsider how you approach a situation especially over the internet
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ReplyDeleteAlright people of my class,
I do understand that my work was unfinished.
If you don't know how to read
I said that in the beginning.
I'm not trying to argue against that.
just because my work was unfinished for class, doesn't mean that I can't say things about my own work or anyone else's work in the room. Everyone brought in great work, congratulations.
I'm not trying to cover anything up.
Fair to say that Lucas brought unfinished work because it's what was on that wall.
My work was unfinished too.
It was in that wall
That's not the point.
I will not waste my time trying to explain what I have said to you all.
It was more for my Instructors.
With all due respect Mr.Lambert I wasn't trying to make excuses about my work being unfinished,
I was on your side and trying to say some things that would simply add
I got frustrated that I wasn't able to articulate well.
I just think it's hilarious how offended everyone is when I'm not even talking about anyone.
I was just simply trying to explain to you what was happening. Well at this point I don't care anymore and I'm over this whole thing.
Just a misunderstanding and doesn't even matter anymore. At least I'm not afraid to say what I felt and faced certain issues.
Where you're coming from is understandable, though it is a simple as your piece being unfinished. It has potential, but the potential did not shine through because of its state. The takeaway is that while both yours and mine are unfinished, they are completely unrelated. It's totally irrational, unfair, and quite frankly, immature to bring up mine as a way to draw a comparison to yours. I was redirected for mine not being completed - I already was aware of the fundamental flaws. The reality though, is that it does not matter to anybody. Our personal aggressions and grievances we're dealing with that get in the way of our work being complete do not matter to anybody. As professionals, we will either succeed or we will not. Nobody gives a shit about us as people. They just want to see good art. What objectively, or I guess concretely could constitute "good" art is completion of a piece. Nothing can be said about any piece until it is finished. Haven't you ever had someone come up to you and ask where a person's eyes are when you're not finished drawing a person? While our pieces are unrelated, any critique upon both is irrational and fundamentally flawed. I understand where you're coming from now because you explained it to me in person, though that was prior to me reading your post. Of course my opinion is shifted some after reading your post, because anything in writing is a more accurate look at what somebody thinks of any situation. So yeah, let's just both finish our stuff from here on.
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